percepts

Hope you haven't been watching any copyright materials on youtube. You may receive a bill for them.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Google must divulge YouTube log

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Vger

That's only fair. Someone has to put a stop to all these social networking sites violating copyright as part of their business model.

Now ...who's going to deal with all of the stolen and fake goods on eBay?

Vger

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desquinn

So its ok for me to go to blockbuster and see what you have been watching? or the library and see what you have been reading?

My details should not be divulged in a driveby privacy snoop The argument if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide, quickly leads to a rubber glove and and not so sweet impersonation of moon river

pursuit

yep, this is often heard from people who I suspect have only half of their brain working, for if both sides of brain are working then the complete statement would have been

Vger

The actual story says:

Note the word "massive".

We all know that there's lots of copyrighted material being displayed on You Tube without permission and without recompense to those who own the copyright. I believe that they turn a deliberate blind eye to it, making it part of their whole business model.

If they had to remove all of the copyrighted material then they'd probably go the same way as Napster did.

Vger

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pursuit

youtube could in turn blames the Internet and/or WWW and/or ISPs for allowing copyrighted meterials to be transmitted in the first place. The whole Internet should be abolished!

Vger

Perhaps, but I personally think a more realistic view is to accept that in this day and age there's very little you can keep private.

You set foot in an urban area and you're recorded on cctv.

You use your debit or credit card and your buying habits are recorded.

Even your movements can be tracked (petrol, rail tickets etc.)

All departments of government keep records on you - and we all know how wonderful government is in keeping your details secure (they may as well give them away on eBay).

It's a fact - just get used to it and get on with life. It's not a trial run, it's the real thing!

Vger

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TygerTyger

The only way that would be possible is if your ISP handed over the records corresponding to past use of your IP address, and even then you are only personally identifiable if you are the only person using that connection and even then it could not be conclusively proven it was actually you at the controls.

A list of IP addresses will personally identify virtually nobody, all it will demonstrate is usage trends, exactly the same thing that we all use on our own websites to monitor how they are used.

I don't see how. How would the official websites upload their content if ISPs banned it? How would they work out what was fair use/parody/permitted? How would they establish if you were the owner and could do as you pleased with it? How would they know what was copyrighted content at all? How are they going to enforce with every website's individual Terms of Service?

It is impossible for ISPs to be the police, the honus is entirely on the website service.

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pursuit

exactly the same could be said by youtube: given the vast amount of uploads that happens ebery sencod, how could I (youtube website) knows which meterial is copyrighted or not. have you embedded anything special that could be detected by youtube as copyrighted so that they can be banned from uploading? It is only fair to blame until after notified by the copyright owner and still do nothing. one could made some 'copyrighted' rubbish and put them on websites and allow anyone to download and then hopefully upload to youtube and then that can be suited for big money, another way of making money?

while not a fan of youtube, I (this time it is me) am more interested in non-copyright meterials on youtube if I am to go there.

desquinn

This seems to be going contrary to what is happening with virgin and the bittorrent debacle. ISP's are being forced into policing this area and they are acting as proxy's for other people interests.

The standard of proof is also lower and it seems that their is a presumption oif guilt

@Vger
as well as "massive" it said "alleged" also

but just because this government is going all out to erode civil liberties it does not mean that we should just give in and accept the Orwellian future.


If viacom are looking at traffic patterns to see what is happening then anonymised logs would be sufficient. But at the moment they want the IP addresses.

clyde

There is a precedent in law : speed cameras take a photo of your license plate number, and the registered owner gets a ticket unless they can prove somebody else was driving. So in fact a law of guilty until proven innocent.
Exactly the situation that is being described above.

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desquinn

Lets add this link as well to the erosion...

BBC NEWS | Technology | Europe votes on anti-piracy laws