ie6

fluxman · 16th July 2008, 09:04 AM

so ye, usually when I make websites, I often check the design on ie6 as I go along to make sure it's working...but with my latest website, for some reason I didn't.

And when i'd finished my new website (which works fine in FF and IE7), I was like "oops, forgot about ie6"....so I check it, and the sidebar was at the bottom of the page (probably due to the ie6 float margin bug)....but, I didn't even bother to fix it...i just thought "man, it's still usable, i don't give a damn...if you're still using ie6, u don't DESERVE a nice user experience"......felt pretty good.

Terra · 16th July 2008, 09:29 AM

mh - on our sites we still have around 25% of all traffic coming from IE6 - not sure what's good about building a website which delivers a worse performance for a quarter of your customers? Definitely not a professional approach in my book. And with the impending gloom & doom atmosphere in business, not actively going after a quarter of your visitors seems very laid-back. Any lottery win you didn't tell us about?

fluxman · 16th July 2008, 09:37 AM

haha...i'm joking of course (well, that is, i'm not lying...but it's for one of my own personal websites which isn't that important...at the moment).

my stats generally show <20% for ie6

But it raises a good point...if EVERY SINGLE webdesigner in the world added something like this to their websites:

Code:

if browser version < ie7
    print "you idiot, upgrade to ie7, or firefox..what's your problem???"
else
    print website
end if

then in a few weeks, everyone would upgrade, and we'd reduce all our css problems by about 95%. I'm fighting the fight..who's with me!!!?

Tim · 16th July 2008, 10:10 AM

And did you check it in IE8/FF3?

fluxman · 16th July 2008, 10:11 AM

ie8 is out?? ace.

as for ff3, i don't think there's much difference between ff2 and ff3...i don't tend to use css that causes problems.

Terra · 16th July 2008, 10:25 AM

mh - you're assuming that users have a choice over their browsers. Which in the case of offices isn't true. Big companies with thousands of computers are very slow with upgrades due to incompatibility worries, plus something like a browser would be bottom of the upgrade heap.

I'm pretty sure that if I went into my old office at Norwich Union, they'd probably would still use IE6 - and no, they're not idiots, but they're also not allowed to install software on the PC themselves (if I remember correctly, installing unauthorised software is grounds for dismissal).

PS: We tend to make our living with online businesses/shops so something like 25% of all users tends to be taken very seriously - after all, both myself & my customers are online to make a living. I know browser wars are nice topics for nerds, but if you're running a business you gotta be pragmatic. I've seen too many start-ups not making it in the first year - every single visitor counts.

fluxman · 16th July 2008, 10:35 AM

people don't have a choice sometimes...but my point was that if EVERY webdesigner added that code to their websites, even big companies would have to upgrade....and we'd all live in relatively blissful css problem-free heaven.

so come on..who's with me...there can't be that many webdesigners in the world..i've been ringing around and managed to convert 1.

fluxman · 16th July 2008, 10:36 AM

(p.s....i do hope you realise i'm joking :P - i've been making professional websites for customers for a number of years now, and have been self employed for a few years, so i know the score

)

Tim · 16th July 2008, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluxman

ie8 is out?? ace.

as for ff3, i don't think there's much difference between ff2 and ff3...i don't tend to use css that causes problems.

I was on a site yesterday that has a javascript-based slideshow - not appearing in IE8/FF3, but fine in IE7/FF2.

Simon · 16th July 2008, 05:25 PM

My personal favourite for IE6 is to add the code from this site to the page, hopefully people will get the hint

SaveTheDevelopers.org :: Making The Web A Better Place, One Campaign At A Time...

pjrobertson · 19th July 2008, 05:57 PM

I might add the if else statement to my site

The truth it, I haven't had any problems with my latest site and IE6. For me, both IE6 and IE7 are behaving exactly the same so all I need to do is mod the site for IE7 (yes, IE7 still doesn't conform to the rules >

) and it works in IE6.

comedy79 · 20th July 2008, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluxman

so ye, usually when I make websites, I often check the design on ie6 as I go along to make sure it's working...but with my latest website, for some reason I didn't.

And when i'd finished my new website (which works fine in FF and IE7), I was like "oops, forgot about ie6"....so I check it, and the sidebar was at the bottom of the page (probably due to the ie6 float margin bug)....but, I didn't even bother to fix it...i just thought "man, it's still usable, i don't give a damn...if you're still using ie6, u don't DESERVE a nice user experience"......felt pretty good.

Many corporate users are still on IE6 and don't look like moving.

Also, did you check it on a Mac? Safari will probably show some differences from other browsers, and there are sometimes differences with Firefox between Mac and PC.

pjrobertson · 20th July 2008, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comedy79

Many corporate users are still on IE6 and don't look like moving.

Also, did you check it on a Mac? Safari will probably show some differences from other browsers, and there are sometimes differences with Firefox between Mac and PC.

For me, Safari (Mac) is the same as FF2 / FF3 (Windows / Mac) 99% of the time. Those are the two browsers that I first check.

According to W3Schools, IE6 had ~26% of the market in June '08
Browser Statistics

fluxman · 20th July 2008, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Also, did you check it on a Mac?

again...if you're using a mac, you don't deserve a good user experience :P

comedy79 · 23rd July 2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluxman

again...if you're using a mac, you don't deserve a good user experience :P

Thanks, I am so honoured that you have deigned to respond to a mere Mac user with only 31 years of computer experience on multiple platforms.